In this episode of Ayahuasca Podcast, host Sam Believ (founder of http://www.lawayra.com) has a conversation with Troy Casey, also known as the Certified Health Nut. Troy is a holistic health coach, author of Ripped at 50, and former Versace model who transformed his life through fasting, herbal medicine, breathwork, indigenous healing, and ayahuasca.
We touch upon topics of:
- Troy’s transformation from fashion model to health advocate (01:17–03:50)
- His early ayahuasca experiences in the Amazon and three life-changing visions (06:43–12:50)
- Humanity’s spiritual awakening and vision for a conscious future (16:24–23:20)
- Environmental destruction, geopolitics, and the rainforest (24:25–29:10)
- Rockefeller history, pharma, and the Flexner report (29:36–31:02)
- First principles of health and his 9 Pillars of Wellness (37:02–41:20)
- Views on purpose, fatherhood, and feminine roles in raising children (38:27–40:50)
- Urine therapy, Maori healing, and unconventional yet effective practices (42:19–44:26)
- Ego, balance, emotional processing, and the spiritual journey (45:26–50:14)
- Troy’s powerful definition of Ayahuasca and its healing potential (54:23–57:50)
If you would like to attend one of our Ayahuasca retreats, go to http://www.lawayra.com
Find more about Troy Casey at http://www.certifiedhealthnut.com or follow him on social media @CertifiedHealthNut across platforms.
Transcript
Sam Believ: You’re listening to ayahuasca podcast.com.
Troy Casey: Ayahuasca is the most powerful herbal medicine on planet Earth. It penetrates the liver, the gallbladder, the intestines, it cleans the blood, but more importantly, it penetrates the nervous system where we hold our beliefs. So if you were raped as a child, or you were wronged or ripped off, et cetera, ayahuasca has the ability to pull this program out and help you really look at it.
And so Ayahuasca is a tool that has the ability. And sometimes you’re gonna puke it out. Sometimes you’re gonna shit it out. Sometimes a good shaman can smooth it out blow some tobacco on it and help clear the energy. There are only four human needs, food, water, shelter, and fire, and we don’t need chemicals to grow.
Food. Organics outperform GMOs and commercial farming. I think eight to one. The organics outperform, and there’s a huge difference in energetics in the world of biohacking and now peptides. Steroids and all these synthetics that are out there, people are getting caught up on oh, should I do this or should I do that?
And my message has always been for the last 20 years, get back to nature in as many facets as possible.
Sam Believ: Hi guys and welcome to AYA podcast. As always, we do the host. Sam to them having a conversation with Troy Casey, also known as Certified Health Nut. Troy is a holistic health coach, author, and a former Versace model who turned his life around through nature, natural healing, and consciousness practices.
With decades of experience in wellness, he promotes lifestyle, rooted in breath work, nutrition, emotional healing, and earth based wisdom. He’s known for his bold personality, raw authenticity, and viral content on men’s work and personal transformation. He’s booked his book, ripped at 50, explores his journey of healing, masculinity, and purpose.
This episode is sponsored by Laira Ayahuasca Retreat. At Laira, we combine affordability. Accessibility and authenticity. Laira, connect, heal, grow. Guys, I’m looking forward to hosting you, Casey, welcome to the show.
Troy Casey: Thank you so much for having me, Sam. I’m always delighted to talk about medicine,
Sam Believ: Casey. I’ve first seen your content may be six, seven years ago.
I think I was looking out for like breathing exercises, so I kinda know your face. I was surprised to find out you were actually one of the. OG people that talk about ayahuasca. That was new to me. So it’s I found a video of you like 18 years ago in the jungle, so that’s pretty cool.
Tell us about your story. How did you go from Versace model to being a health knot and what’s the role medicine played in it?
Troy Casey: Yeah I put a lot of this in my book. I started out as a young man just chasing money, not really knowing, where I was going or what I was doing, and the fashion industry and being a high fashion model sounded like a good idea.
I, I didn’t know much about it. Now. 30 something years later, we see the whole Diddy party situation. And a lot of people have been implicated in the Epstein list. There was a guy who owned the agency in Paris called Models One. And then you get the Abercrombie and Fitch and Victoria’s Secret that they were all intertwined with that whole Epstein Diddy party thing.
And that was something that. I ate away at my soul. You could only go so far in that industry and I maneuvered my way into becoming a Versace model. I was at the right place at the right time in Miami when Miami was coming up. And then, and my agent helped Gianni Versace purchase that property on Ocean Drive.
And then had him use, Miami as a backdrop for the South Beach Stories campaign. And and so I was able to really maneuver my way in there. And then, the next year there was a big agent from New York that came down and they were looking through my book and, it came up on all the Versace stuff and he was like, oh, this is so last year.
That was just like, dude, that’s the height of fashion. Versace, Armani, gucci stuff like that is like the hype of, fashion, especially men’s fashion. And for someone to gate keep me and say it was like, so last year it was so soul robbing for me. And so it, it took me a little while to wake up in that scenario.
And, and I partied a lot. Drugs and alcohol were a big part of that scene. And so instead of feeling my emotions at that level of my development, I would just go out and drink and party. And that went on for quite a few years. And then eventually I had to sober up. I was wasting my potential.
And enough people bothered to tell me that, right? So anybody who has alcoholic friends out there, or drug addicted friends, always encourage them to. To live their full potential. Because eventually I listened to that and I started to sober up and it was vipasana meditation that really took me to the next level.
I went to AA and 12 step programs, which, were functional and dysfunctional all in the same. But the one thing that really stuck with me was step 11 sought through prayer and meditation. You found a better way and I always. Notice that the people that would talk about that, they had a certain qua a certain way of being.
And I really respected that. And so I was intrigued about meditation and I inquired and I heard about these meditation retreats, et cetera, and I found out about Vipasana and I, this is before the internet. I put in my application and I got some. I got some literature back and I was reading the literature about the depth of the mental defilements and where the root cause of a lot of our suffering is.
And I was in tears, reading about that. And so I sat many vipasana courses over the span of six years and that helped me awaken. And at the same time I started studying with indigenous Maori healers from New Zealand and got a real taste of. Indigenous wisdom and how powerful shamanic healing was.
They used the body, and they would, stand on the nerve centers of the body and go really deep, really fast. And, used pain or the release of your pain as a catalyst for awakening. Had some very profound experiences. Witnessed many miracles myself during that time. And at the same time, somebody turned me onto an herbal company in the Amazon rainforest.
They had the top 40 plants, dragon’s blood unto cba, Summa. Chanca Piera, really powerful herbal medicine from the Amazon, and I started putting these herbs into my body, and I had started studying herbal medicine as a model because I got into fasting, internal purification, cleaning out my liver, et cetera, and so I had.
An affinity towards herbs for a very long time. And so fast forward 15 years later, somebody introduced me to an herbal company from the Amazon. I started taking these plants and the vibration of the plants and my experience with them was extremely profound. And I started working with that company and building a business with their herbs.
And I want a trip to the Amazon. And the vendors for that company were the Shao Indians. And so I went far up river and met some of our partners researched the plants. A lot of this you can see on my YouTube channel from 2006. This was some of my first work. In YouTube. And and I’ve had a career in front of the camera.
I wanna tie it all together. And so I’ve been in front of the camera for 35 years and it’s been this whole journey of discovery of who I am and what we’re doing on this planet. And ultimately to heal myself. And to, now share that. Information with others. And so I drank the Ayahuasca for the first time with the chappo down there.
And then I stayed there for a few extra weeks. And had profound experiences and profound visions, and I’ve been living those visions ever since. And what on the internet is an expression of those visions.
Sam Believ: So you talk about those three powerful visions that Ayahuasca gave you can you share?
Troy Casey: So the first one was an amalgamation of my on-camera career. I was doing standup comedy at the time in Hollywood, and I’d been studying natural medicine as long as I’ve been in front of the camera. And the certified health nut.
Came to me. It was crystallized in the Amazon and so I laughed out loud right in the middle of ceremony that’s been unfolding for the past almost 20 years. When I got out of the jungle, YouTube was a brand new reality. And mind you, when I first moved to Hollywood, transitioning from a model to an actor, you had to beg for a piece of film from.
A USC student or something like that. And it was very expensive to get film equipment and do filming. And so in a very short amount of time, these iPhones, IMAX editing software, this phone right here is as good as any Panavision camera that came out of a truck that costs $70,000 to rent for one day.
And so this iPhone has that much power in it, right? This is 20 years later. And and then the distribution platforms, YouTube, and now, of course, instagram and other platforms. But the bottom line is when I first moved to Hollywood, the distribution platforms were network, television and films.
And and now I’m my own movie producer. I produce my own materials. In fact, I’m working with a famous director. Producer, he’s a friend of mine and he’s been following my work for a long time. He said 20 years ago when we met, I was gonna take him down to the Amazon to drink Ayahuasca, and he looked at my career and basically what he said is, the technology didn’t catch up to me.
It’s only catching up to me now. He just produced. Directed the film for Chechen Chong, and he won the Academy Award for Sling Blade back in 1996. And he did another movie with Jim Carrey called Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. And so I was, I just, I did a podcast recently in Los Angeles and he was there and then we went out to dinner and it was interesting to hear his reflection of me because I was enamored with his career.
He’s a big Hollywood producer and, did, many big films. And then he’s very interested in my career and the direction it’s going. And I was grateful, to hear that reflection. So the bottom line is the first vision was Certified Health Nut was born in the Amazon crystallized, and then I came out of the jungle and all this technology was brand new.
The second one was I went down and you just explained how you lived there from Latvia and how, beautiful. The people are down there and sweet and it’s just a different kind of energy. And when I met the children down there, and I don’t have nieces or nephews, so I’ve never been surrounded by children.
And so for me to be surrounded by all these. Children in the rainforest, these little Indian children. It’s, and I was oh my God, the, these children are so beautiful, and there I was 40 and they say, you’re never ready to have children. At that time I was ready. And, but it took that experience of me being down there and during my ayahuasca ceremonies, my initial ceremonies, the spirit of my daughter came to me, a very powerful spirit. And I wasn’t married. I wasn’t in a relationship or anything. And in a very short amount of time, I conceived my first child. And then my daughter was the second child that came.
And she is a very powerful spirit. And so my family has been unfolding ever since then. Certified health nut’s been unfolding ever since then. The final vision I saw is that humanity makes it from the precipice of ecological disaster that we find ourselves in. We all know and have heard about the destruction of the rainforest, and now of course with the chem trails and the expansion of the commercial world here we see that we’re at the precipice of ecological disaster.
And and so I saw that humanity makes it, and so that’s been unfolding ever since and while I share this, and
Sam Believ: cool, Troy, it’s a really cool story. It’s a very strong strong start. And something similar happened to me. I was drinking ayahuasca. I was just in it to heal depression, and it just gave me this entire vision that now.
Led me to starting the retreat and it’s pretty crazy. It, it didn’t talk to me about the family, but my wife was already pregnant, I think when I started drinking the medicine. Actually, no, when I first drank the medicine, she didn’t she wasn’t pregnant yet. But yeah, there’s something with the medicine that a lot of times it, for a lot of people like you and me, just gives you the entire breakdown, the entire direction.
And then years later. Sometimes it takes, sometimes on the years later you realize what was this all about? But it’s something you mentioned that you said, we’re gonna make it from this cataclysm. I personally think the reason we destroy ourself is like lack of consciousness and that people are doing wrong things for the wrong reasons.
And I personally hope that maybe more people do all the. Conscious things. You talk about breathing exercises, blood medicine, maybe focus on their health. Maybe we’ll make it, but in, in your vision how are we making it out of there? Does the what, what needs to happen?
Troy Casey: There weren’t so much specifics as just the end result of, we make it. And I also believe on your point, that we have gone into ignorance to awaken consciousness, right? Because there’s two forces guiding everything. Yin yang, inhalation, exhalation, masculine, feminine, catabolic, anabolic.
There’s always two forces guiding us. And and my mentor likes to say, how can you be Luke Skywalker if you don’t have a DA Darth Vader? And so there’s always, the dark side. And so it’s integrating the both. And I do believe that’s a big part of our dualistic paradox, our dualistic reality that we’re living in.
Can you rephrase that, that, that question? ’cause I want to get into it.
Sam Believ: Personally I think that people need to wake up, conscious consciousness needs to wake up, and I believe like ayahuasca is one of the fastest way to do it. So do you what do you think, what do you think needs to happen for us to wake up and do you even agree do you think it comes from lack of consciousness or just just talking in that direction?
It’s not like a specific question.
Troy Casey: Yeah. We, so we go into darkness or the, in the Vedic scriptures, yoga. Scriptures. It talks about, the Cali Yuga, the Darkness, and it, and we hear this in astrology or the age of Aquarius. We’re going into a different cycle. The Mayan calendar talks about this, the Hopi prophecy, the eagle and the condor prophecy, talk about the dark times.
And I do believe we’re coming out of it. And however you slice it. Even the president of the United States right now talked about, going into a golden era. And and I truly believe this, again, we have two forces, yin and yang, and. Not to get political, but you always have to look at what’s on the horizon as indicators.
And I think it’s interesting that the, the main politician on the global stage is actually talking about the golden era or the golden age, whether it manifests or whether he’s. Full of propaganda. Only time will tell, right? And but we are coming out of darkness. And here’s the other thing, no matter what, man has always sat around the fire and told stories, and we tell stories to, to inspire future generations to make sure that they know that there’s a tiger in the cave, right? Or this area is potentially dangerous, or there’s a sinkhole over here, or a cenote you can fall in, so we would tell stories around the fire. This is the fire right now. This technology is the fire and the story that I’m telling because the world that I choose to create is one of balance and harmony.
I do, I postulate as a man on this planet. With the great responsibility. I’ve been gifted great power and energy and talents, and so I. Postulate that we can live in harmony with nature. There’s a scientific term called biomimicry, which states life creates conditions conducive for life. So a spider at aqueous solutions room temperature can take things from its local environment.
Build something five times the strength of steel. And this has been replicated with coral reefs and other aspects of nature. And if we can align with biomimicry what Tesla talked about, free energy zero point technology, taking abundant wireless. Free energy from the atmosphere instead of oil and destructive industries.
And some of the, oil exploration is one of the main culprits of deforestation and what they did to the schwar in, in Ecuador. Oxy Petroleum and Chevron, et cetera. And so these are destructive industries. So what can we do with constructive? And maybe you’ve seen visions in your ayahuasca ceremonies as well, your psychedelic experiences.
We can go beyond the veil of illusion of, you know this hard and fast ideas of physical material stagnation. And we can go beyond into the material. The beyond the material into the energetics of the world is what create and coalesce energy and sound effects matter. So can we speak it into existence sitting around the proverbial fire on these devices.
Speaking to existence. My vision is clean, air, water, soil, and equitable systems for all of mankind in my lifetime. And so what is an equitable system? Everyone has a fair shake to create, and so instead of this fake fiat currency. Derived world where the bankers fund both sides of the war to see the strife amongst the human beings.
And so can we create systems that are conducive for all life on the planet. And I postulate that we can right dream the impossible dream. As the Wright brothers wanted to fly like an eagle, and and Steve Jobs wanted to put a handheld computer in every man’s hand so that every man had the potential to change the world.
So this is the potential that I see and that I speak into existence using story. Using vision where there is no vision, the people will perish. And so this is the story that I’m speaking into existence. And this is the manifestation principle that I’m utilizing thought word action manifest in the flesh.
And and I like nature and I like the natural rhythms of life. And I also like technology, right? I’m using it. So can we. My question is can we do this in harmony? And I postulate that we can.
Sam Believ: Whatever we can believe we can achieve. And you mentioned so many cool topics that we can delve into.
Just like Steve Jobs put com computers in everyone’s hand. I wanna put Ayahuasca in everyone’s mo mouth. Almost everyone. Not everyone, not if you have schizophrenia. But it’s cool that you talk about, podcasts as being this bonfire where. Digital elders like yourself, you’re close to 60 now, right?
Troy Casey: I’ll be 60 at the end of the year, yes.
Sam Believ: Yeah, so digital elders talk to like 20,000 digital bonfires at the same time. We know while people are driving, but the still, the emotion is the same, right? So using technology for good I think is pretty cool. You mentioned. Trump. And I wanna switch this topic to health.
You’re the health nut Trump make America healthy again. Robert Kennedy Jr. And I know you’re passionate about this topic. Talk to us about that.
Troy Casey: I’ve studied geopolitics ever since I came outta the Amazon. So when I first went down there in 2006, I saw mountains of south of sawdust in iquitos, so mountains of trees, sawdust.
And I saw the two by fours, which were on barges that go up to Home Depot, here in the United States and other industrial world in industrial parts of the world. And I understand that, we are the problem, right? Humanity is the problem, therefore we are the solution. And so I studied geopolitics.
I’m like, okay, all the rainforest is being destroyed. It’s very important for the ecosystem. It’s a critical lynchpin to the rest of the world. And so what is my role as a man? I have a responsibility. That’s the message I came out of the jungle with and witnessing the destruction. And then I started to study industry geopolitics, things that were, causing the destruction down there. And I realized that oil exploration is one of the number one deforestation components. You cut the roads through the jungle exploring for oil deposits, and then if there are, they dig and drill and you can create, waste like Oxy Petroleum did to the schwar, which caused leukemia in those tribes.
And then if there isn’t, then you, after the bulldozers go through, then they pull out all that equipment and then they’ll give a dollar a day and a chainsaw to a local and they’ll start fell the big trees that they bring through the tributaries into the major cities and cut down the rainforest.
So this is, and then they grow the cash crops. The soy, the corn for McDonald’s beef even chocolate bananas, all these, cash crops, et cetera, coca leaves, right? And how can we do this in a sustainable way? First and foremost, don’t cut it down. And I was working with an herbal company.
If you harvest some of the herbs of the fruits or the berries that have very powerful medicinal qualities, they grow back, right? So that is one sustainable model. But the unsustainable models were, what was depicted in a book called Confessions of an Economic Hitman, which was written by John Perkins and it details the World Bank Giving in the IMF giving loans to these third world countries Ecuador Peru, Panama, Venezuela, and.
Then asking, but then who? Who gets the contracts for that money that is borrowed for those third world countries? Halliburton and Bechtel get those contracts, we did this with Iraq and so then, these American corporations go in and build infrastructure dams, road roadways, grid systems for electricity, and then they ask for the money back, right?
The World Bank ask for the money back and they don’t have the money, right? It’s a third world country. So they say, okay, give us your natural resources and a slave wage to pull it out of the earth. We see this in Africa with the cobalt and the lithium mining, the Sudan crude Iraq. Venezuela was number four.
Producer of oil. Number five. Producer is Ecuador. Number six, producer is Peru. And and number nine producer is Libya. And we saw what happened to Libya. Pipelines are what get the oil into position so it can be exported around the world. And so Afghanistan and Syria, those are both. Platforms for pipelines.
So this is the way of the world. And, I studied that. So when I saw, and I’ve been on the planet for 50 plus years, and then I see this guy Donald Trump, who’s a brash New Yorker, and I spent a lot of time working in the fashion industry in New York. And Donald Trump’s kind of a mild New Yorker.
People think he’s a sexist and a racist and all this. And so I, I see that. I see him as a very mild person, but I see him as an American and speaking up for the American way, and I tend to believe in something better than confessions of an economic hitman. And the whole situation now that he’s in, I realize the gigantic blockades with.
Oil, which is Rockefellers, which is banking, which is pharmaceutical drugs, which is agribusiness. So petrochemical byproducts are in pesticides and herbicides. It’s what helps. The chemicals stick to the plants. Pet petrochemical byproducts are in pharmaceutical drugs. And so you’ve got, Rockefellers were oil men and they created a monopoly and they bought up the railroads, they bought up whatever was distributing the oil, and they’re still doing this.
And then they created the school system here in America as well. It’s designed to dumb people down and make them good factory workers. And then the Flexner report basically got rid of all natural medicine or discredited it and only put credit to state licensed. Accredited universities that were teaching medicine, which was back then, that was considered quackery.
Herbal medicine is what our grandparents and our great grandparents always used. We didn’t have pharmacies, hospitals, doctors, or any of this 200 years ago. So all this stuff is brand new and. If you look at the story of John d Rockefeller and setting up those monopolies, it’s basically we’re living in an oligarchy, a top down situation.
In fact, JP Morgan was funding Nicola Tesla when he was developing free energy and when he discovered it. JP Morgan buried it because he, Tesla didn’t wanna meter it right. He wanted to give it free to the people. And so this is the way of the world that I’ve studied now. Now not bad or good, right?
Again, this is the yin and the yang that we live in this world. I just postulate that we can do things in a more balanced way. Things that aren’t, we don’t have to rape and pillage other lands, push people off of their land for natural resources. And I go big picture and please watch you get home or listening.
Follow along with me, Phil, philosophically. And so there are only four human needs, food, water, shelter, and fire. And we don’t need chemicals to grow. Food. Organics outperform. GMOs and commercial farming. I think eight to one. Done a lot of research in Asia and organic farmland. American military did research.
You could find this on the British Soil association.org website, and the organics outperform and there’s a huge difference in energetics in food. And Hippocrates said, let thy food be thy medicine. But we’ve gotten so far away from that. And back to the herbs. Herbs are food, herbs are medicine.
It was part of who we are, and we’ve gotten so far away from that, and we’ve sold ourselves. This whole top down oligarchy situation with, that’s all traded in the petrodollar and people are controlled with the petrodollar. And so if you look at, there, there was, you’re living outside of Medellin.
Netflix had a big show on Pablo Escobar and the Medellin cartel. He was the seventh richest man in the world. He was worth billions at a time on the Forbes list. And that was all traded in the petro dollar, in the American dollar. And and this, anytime there’s imbalances that leaves the door open for massive amounts of corruption.
And so what I learned about that Netflix special narcos is it’s not just the narco traffickers. It is also the governments that are controlling all aspects of life oil, pushing indigenous people off of their land, et cetera, raping and pillaging the land. And so the corruption runs deep. It’s not just the illicit drugs, it’s the legal drugs.
Right now we’ve got, everybody is all doped up. I think 70. Percent of Americans are on one medication or more chronic diseases at 50%. So bringing it back to Trump and now RFKI, I believe that somebody wants to do good. I know I do. And so will these men help this planet? I would like to think that yes, they will.
That will, the proof will come out in the, in, in the pudding, but the bottom line is make America healthy again. This is my platform that I’ve been working on for the last 20 years. You scroll back to YouTube in 2006, I’m singing the same song, talking about the GMOs, people all doped up on pharmaceutical drugs, et cetera, talking about oil expiration in the Amazon and plant medicine, et cetera.
And and RFK is not just talking about Make America healthy again and the food supply and the food diet, and the glyphosate, and the GMOs, et cetera. He’s also talking about addiction, recovery and psychedelics, ibogaine and other exploration. To help the fentanyl crisis, right? Which is coming manufactured from China, coming in through the cartels in Mexico.
And so it’s a big mess. And and I truly believe if we’re going to save the planet, then it’s going to happen at a grassroots individual level. Healthy me equals a healthy planet. We’re all voting with our dollars, regardless of the politicians we bring in. And so what are we spending our money on? Pay now, pay later.
Pay the farmer. Pay the doctor. It’s our choice. And so this is the clarion call that I’m putting out there on the internet, whether not everyone is gonna heed the call but everyone gets the call and I hope that ties it in. I know. I tend to talk a little bit a lot and it gets philosophical.
But I postulate that we can create peace and harmony on this planet always and forever.
Sam Believ: Yeah. You do talk a lot, which is a great thing for a podcast guest because I need to ask very few questions that you’re very self-sufficient and it is a scary picture. There’s so many issues.
As you said, once again, you had a vision that we’re gonna make it. There’s a lot of good men around there. I consider myself one of them doing good things making world a better place. And we do have tools and yeah. And then, you’re, you’ve been putting out that message for a long time and I’m sure people listen.
I’m sure that helped RFK win and get to the position where he’s at, because I think people are ready. Everyone knows enough. Thanks to the internet, thanks to YouTube. People know enough that, there’s what’s healthy, what’s unhealthy? People are fed up enough. And speaking of RFK, I’m a big fan of him.
It’s my dream to interview him. And I know one day I will because he does speak about his son drinking ihu with like tears in his eyes and it really helped him and it’s amazing. So let’s switch to the more positive side of things. You’re almost 60 years old. You look amazing. Your health not, you know a lot about health.
Tell us, what did you do to stay fit? What can people do your favorite things to stay healthy apart from Ayahuasca, obviously.
Troy Casey: Yes. I put this in my book, ripped at 50, A Journey to self-love. Because I have so much experience and sometimes it’s overwhelming for people, so I wanted to chunk it down into first principles as they use in.
Physics or science. You can’t have this without that. And so every, we’re made outta water. So hydration’s very important to pay attention to. We’re made of the earth materials. So nutrition’s very important to pay. Pay attention to the. The source of all life on planet earth is the sun. And so we’re electromagnetic beings.
So sunlight and grounding is very important for us. These are axioms. They’re first principles. They’re necessities, they’re non-negotiables every day. And I think in the world of biohacking and now peptides and steroids and all these synthetics that are out there. People are getting caught up on oh, should I do this or should I do that?
And my message has always been, for the last 20 years, get back to nature in as many facets as possible. So I have the nine pillars of health, the seven factors of stress that destroy health and the five detoxification pathways that restore health. And so it’s a good understanding to understand these first principles that the number one.
Pillar that I have is legacy, purpose, or dream where there’s no vision, the people will perish. And so it’s important for man to have purpose. I do postulate that procreation is prime directive. So as I came out of the jungle, very lit up with nature inside my consciousness, my nervous system, et cetera, I came back with a strong desire to start a family.
And so I do believe this is at the cornerstone of being a human being. And you’re gonna need your health to pro, to procreate. And I do believe that women, that’s job number one, to raise the children, nourish and nurture the children. So when I work with men, it’s a good idea to figure out what their effortless genius is.
And, what they’re good at and what the world needs. And that’s the essence of a business to solve a problem and to go into what you’re good at instead of just getting a job. That can be, that can be problematic for a man. And but for women, I think job number one is having children.
Not that a woman can’t go and start a business and do whatever you know, anyone wants to do. I’m not here to stop that. I’m just here to say that is. Probably the most important job is for the future of the species is nourishing and nurturing the children. And I say that as a stay at home father where I chose to be with my children.
Luckily, as an entrepreneur, I had the ability albeit through the ups and downs of being an entrepreneur, but being available for my children the majority of the time. And I think it’s so important. So hopefully your viewers will understand that man needs purpose. And for a woman, I do believe that having children is purpose enough.
And so the nine pillars, nature, hydration, nutrition, sleep. This is non-negotiable. We’re wired to the celestial realm, the moon and the sun. Movement is a necessity, not a luxury. And so walking’s the best exercise. You just understanding these basic principles have as we’ve become domesticated.
Sitting, driving, texting it’s a good idea to understand, all of this, to live an optimal and vital life so that we actually have something to contribute to the greater parts of the world. So I put all this curriculum in my book and then you can download it for free on my.
The nine pillars of health certified health nut.com, you can go down there and it’s a free download for everyone and you can put it up on as a checklist. And so these are, again, axioms, non-negotiables, first principles, foundation principles. You can’t have a great life without having all these, or if you want a great life and you want a big vision, you’re gonna need your health to achieve that.
And so I put that all in my curriculum.
Sam Believ: Yeah, see, I see why you wrote a book. You definitely have the information just exploding out of you. It’s almost hard to contain. So I have an idea. You should come to Lara. It’s a very calm place and you can start writing your new book, which is ripped. At 60 as the time has come, it’s the other stuff is outdated.
Interestingly enough, I realize I’m a stay at home father as well, even though, we all live here at the same property. It’s cool because my kids can come visit me in the office here nearby. Talking about health I want to continue about that a little bit. I remember when I first heard about Ayahuasca, I was like really negative about it.
I was like, what do you mean drinking, taking drugs and puking in the jungle? You must be crazy, right? And I was very skeptical. Then I slowly warmed up to it and now I am. Embracing it and spreading the word. So roles have reversed. But I remember when I was getting ready for this interview, I was like, Troy’s a really cool guy, and he talks about those things, but this urinal therapy and all this stuff is, is a little over yeah, I felt resistance.
So I wanna be proactive this time and not resist stuff that I don’t know. So talk to us about, the craziest, the weirdest things you discovered that actually work.
Troy Casey: Like Ayahuasca, I hear right? I hear. Ooh, power. Woo. What is that? Tell me more. I hear about the Maori healers I talked about earlier.
They use sticks and stones and they stand on you. And people scream bloody murder. Oh, really? Where, how can I sign up? When are they coming? Ayahuasca makes you puke. Visions. Oh, where, let me know. Oh, urine therapy. The yogis did this. It’s a path to enlightenment. It’s a tool in the toolbox.
Oh wow. Let me try, let me see what happens. Pie, a classical Chinese medicine that predates traditional Chinese medicine. Even acupuncture is foreign to a lot of people. Sicking needles in you. I just came from acupuncture, actually. Cupping, bruising the skin, bringing the blood bloodletting, which is also classical Chinese medicine, which you know, is the slapping.
And so all very interesting, heal the human body, heal. Heal my consciousness. This is a tool in the toolbox. I have pain in my body, pain in my consciousness. Trauma. I wrote, I wrote part of my book. I don’t like to stay stuck on, on, on childhood drama or whatever. And it I appreciate my parents.
But, I had my fair tear of challenges and when I did research on natural childbirth, my parents were fist fighting in the womb, and the drugs that they used in the sixties and pulled me outta my mom’s vagina, knocked out cold. So I did some of this research and okay.
Where are my challenges as a being as a man? Here. And so I hear things and I, oh, that sounds interesting. Oh, let me explore that. Oh, that sounds interesting. Let me explore that. Oh, little death, oh, def. Divine. Divine, the, with the ayahuasca, your ego death, okay I hear that.
Let me experience this. This is human exploration and I’m on a healing path to. Understand myself, understand the world, and and also I have my own dark side, my own shortcomings, right? And, as a father, as a man of this earth I choose to be, as peaceful as possible, right?
I got into alcoholism and drug addiction when I was younger because I was trying to kill the pain. And so I choose to deal with the pain, the emotions, whatever it is, and I’m still going through that. At 60 years old, you think you arrive or you think have achieved a certain level?
I think the Zen monks, they say, chop. Would carry water before enlightenment and chop wood carry water after enlightenment. And, you’re still, every, no one here gets out alive. We’re still on this path, but I choose the road less traveled instead of anesthetizing myself with sugar or pornography and entertainment, which I have done my fair share of.
Womanizing, I have done my fair share, but I choose the highest vibrational path because the downside of the upside of, let’s say drugs for example, there’s always a crash. And so how can I walk the middle path? How can I find peace and harmony as much as possible? The vicissitudes of life are always here, the ups and downs of life.
My meditation teacher used to say, things in the life that you want to happen don’t happen. And we have we have aversion to that or things we want in life. We cling and we have craving for, and then things we don’t want, we have aversion towards and clinging and aversion and clinging and addiction and.
And so it’s like we are reacting to our polypeptides, our chemical messengers inside of our own human body. And it’s like the rat race, samsara the yoga traditions call it. And a big part of my goal is to stay as balanced as possible. Stay as balanced as possible and then also offer what I have discovered in human exploration out to another brother and sister that may be going through the same thing as me.
And i’m here to offer the olive branch. Many years ago I had problems with my digestion. Okay? I study fasting, herbal medicine, juicing. I got some really good results on this. And Hey brother, you’re going through some problems. Hey, try this, right? This worked for me and maybe it’ll work for you, maybe it doesn’t.
Okay. Throw it away. Do Bruce Lee take what’s you study with everyone. Take what’s useful, discard the rest. Make it your own. You can learn quickly from someone who’s living a life that you don’t wanna live. You recognize, okay, I learn. All right, compartmentalize that and then take what’s useful and make it y your own.
And so you’re a walking Tai chi, you’re a walking qigong going through this world as we’re. Going through entropy and our tissues are solidifying, right? We call ’em out as a baby. We’re all children of God. We’re all spiritual beings on this journey. And so how much can I learn and how much can I balance through this learning?
And then how much can I share for that my fellow brother and sister, and bring more balanced peace and harmony to the world? And I also postulate Sam that a, maybe this is just my own big little ego trip. And maybe this is life. You’ve gotta deal with a bunch of bullshit. And then life is also beautiful on many other le levels, right?
And this is the life, the vicissitudes and the ups and downs. But I follow all the ancient sages and they say walk the middle path. And this is part of the middle path. Drinking your own urine or practicing some ancient classical Chinese healing methodology. These are just tools in the tools.
Toolbox to discover who you are, just like Ayahuasca is. And ultimately we are all God creators. We are all imbued with the power of the creator. And I think Jesus, that’s the story of Jesus, right? There is no ultimate death, right? He was crucified. And then three days later he comes back ain’t nothing happened to me.
I’m walking free. And and I do believe that there is somewhat of. A revolving door. There is no death. Ultimately, we are going through different dimensional transitions and how aware can your soul, your spirit, how aware can your soul be transitioning from one dimension to the next?
I’ve been to the spirit world with these powerful psychedelics and and I’ve come back and so I like to. I like. Postulate that we’re always there. It just depends on how aware you are in all dimensions, all places at all times. How aware are you? And we’re in the physical realm, right? We’re in this physical body, in this physical realm, so it seems so dense.
The emotions, the energy and motion seems so intense. Neck pain and back pain, which is emotional pain, which is our mental defilement solidified into our body.
Sam Believ: We gotta keep an open mind and not judge too soon. And as you say, Bruce, Lisa take a bit of everything from everywhere and just learn.
You talk about ego as well. I also sometimes think, I’m crazy that I even try. It’s definitely an ego trip, but I think you do need to have a bit of ego to, to to believe in yourself, to sorta strive for bigger things. Just so I think there’s a lot of positive to our ego.
You mentioned digestion.
Troy Casey: I think there’s a lot of spiritual bypassing in the spiritual community that like, you gotta kill your ego, that there’s yin and yang. You need the ego to get outta bed in the morning. And and if you’re a man walking in this earth and you’re like, I feel responsible for the future of this planet and what’s to come.
And and I wanna participate in that. And so you’re gonna need an ego, otherwise you’re just a leaf in the wind.
Sam Believ: Yeah I’m a leaf, I’m a leaf in the wind with a little bit of ego, like trying to combine the two, the best of the both worlds. But yeah, so the, I definitely don’t hate my ego, but I try to limit the negative ex negative parts of it. So you, me, you mentioned digestion.
For me personally I was. Struggling with digestion issues a lot, and then they magically went away when Ayahuasca, when I started drinking ayahuasca, even though it was not the main thing for me because of the purging and all this stuff. And it brings me to last question to you today is I really love your explanation of ayahuasca.
Like I’ve seen one video of you at the beach and you like really passionately for three minutes, describe Ayahuasca. Can you do it for us? Even though, and I’m sure people know by now, but still I just like your version of it.
Troy Casey: And I have to give a big shout out to my mentor, the great gringo shaman down in the Amazon, Scott Peterson.
And I made a lot of videos with him and one of my very first videos on a digital camera, this was before these phones came out. It was a Sony digital camera. And I think he I have it somewhere on the internet, but. And I like to explain it to him almost verbatim because he was such a coherent voice with the medicine and I learned immense amounts of knowledge from him.
So Scott Peterson, like used to like, to explain it like this. Ayahuasca is the most powerful herbal medicine on planet Earth. It penetrates the liver, the gallbladder, the intestines, it cleans the blood, but more importantly, it penetrates the nervous system where we hold our beliefs. It’s like a system dfr.
So if you were raped as a child, or you were wronged or ripped off, et cetera, it’s going to help you look at this. Unconscious program. Maybe it’s running in the background. Maybe you have anger or some type of trauma trigger experience from the, and rightfully right? We’ve been wronged, et cetera. And but Ayahuasca has the ability to pull this program out and help you really look at it like it dissolve the veil of illusions.
That we have in our day-to-day life, and we put on this mask to go to work and we put on this mask to be in our relationship, et cetera. And Ayahuasca has the ability to, to take all those masks off and. Come down to the essence of, who and what we are. And ask ourselves, Hey, this program is running.
It’s taking a lot of your energy. Do you wanna forgive this? Do you wanna let it go? Do you wanna understand it? Do you wanna process it? But it’s sucking your life force out. And so Ayahuasca is a tool that has the ability and sometimes you’re gonna puke it out, sometimes you’re gonna shit it out. Sometimes, a good shaman can smooth it out, right? Blow some tobacco on it and help clear the energy. Maybe some floral water bring in the angels. And it’s a tool in the toolbox. And, that’s the best way I know how to explain the ayahuasca. And and let me tell you, I have roared like a lion puking my guts out and and gratefully right?
And other times I have not puked, but wish I did. And and I’ve always left the jungle, more peaceful, more understanding, more. Powerful. If you go back to my original visions that I am living to this day and preaching exactly my experience I think Ayahuasca is the most powerful herbal medicine, the most powerful.
Definitely one of the most powerful spirits spiritual tools that I have ever encountered.
Sam Believ: Thank you, Troy. Let’s wrap it up on this beautiful note. I definitely hope you come visit us sometime here at LoRa and we can puke together and have good time. Meanwhile, for people listening working day, find more about you. Where can they get your book? What are your handles on socials if they wanna learn more about you?
Troy Casey: Y Yeah. Certified health nut.com. We’ve got plenty of resources over there for everyone. Free downloads. Please get on my newsletter. And so stay up to date with me for live retreats, et cetera. Certified Health Nut branded across the internet. Follow me online on your favorite platform, certified Health Nut.
And then yeah, my YouTube channel. I’ve been there. For 19 years now. And so I’m on YouTube as well. And I appreciate you having me on this call. And together we’re here making the world a better place.
Sam Believ: Beautiful, beautiful guys. You should definitely check out Troy’s videos. They’re really good and really fun. And I recommend that as I was doing this research. I enjoyed it a lot and I’ve seen your videos in the past as well. Thank you guys for listening. As always, we do the hosts and believe, and I will see you in the next episode.
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