Sexual path to psychedelic states with Dr. Jenny Martin

In this episode of Ayahuasca Podcast, host Sam Believ (founder of http://www.lawayra.com) has a conversation with Dr. Jenny Martin.

Dr. Jenny Martin is a researcher and expert in the science of consciousness, biofields, and energy medicine. Her work explores the intersection of physics, ancient wisdom, and modern science, particularly focusing on torsion fields, the pineal gland, and how human consciousness interacts with unseen forces.

We touch upon topics of:

• Torsion fields and their discovery by Russian scientists
• Isaac Newton’s alchemical studies and search for an intelligent force
• Mainstream science’s dismissal of torsion field physics
• How accepting torsion fields would change modern medicine
• The role of the biofield and energy medicine in healing
• Dark matter, dark energy, and the balance of yin and yang
• The CIA’s remote viewing program and its research into consciousness
• Disinformation campaigns in media (e.g., Men Who Stare at Goats)
• Claude Swanson’s work on life force energy and ancient Chinese Chi studies
• Russia’s long-standing scientific research into energy fields
• The pineal gland’s function as a transducer of external signals
• How the pineal gland interacts with life force energy (Chi, Prana, Mana, etc.)
• Ancient indigenous knowledge of the “invisible web” connecting life
• Princeton University’s research on consciousness and global energy fields
• The impact of collective human emotions on the energy field (e.g., 9/11 study)
• How psychedelics like DMT amplify the biofield and alter perception
• The “synchronized universe model” and dimensions existing in parallel
• The pineal gland’s photoreceptors and their role in altered states of consciousness
• How altered brainwave states (e.g., gamma) enable interdimensional perception
• Why mainstream science resists studying the science of consciousness
• The connection between sexual energy, life force energy, and psychedelic experiences

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Find more about Dr. Jenny Martin at http://www.drjennymartin.com.

Transcript

Sam Believ: You’re listening to ayahuasca podcast.com.

Dr. Jenny Martin: I think Mary Magdalene was the greatest gift in Christianity. She held this wisdom that started me on a quest to understand who this person was, not the person that was lied about, but who this person was. And I ended up discovering that she was the first Alchemist.

She was called Mary the Jew. US Jesus was a Jew, right? And out of all of the different sacred sexual traditions, all of them. Tantra, Daoist, all of that. You use sexuality to get to a certain point in your, as an initiate, then you’re supposed to be celibate. The only one that says that sex as an ongoing spiritual practice is, was originally the Jewish mystical sexual practice, and she was in that lineage, but she brought this understanding of alchemy.

That there could be a rebirth experience, a transformation of consciousness through sex.

Sam Believ: Hi guys, and welcome to Ayahuasca podcast. As always, we do the host. Today I’m having a conversation with Jenny Martin. Dr. Jenny is inspired by democratizing psychedelic states of consciousness and the healing possibilities that could result for the entire planet. She’s passionate about helping people learn about the psychedelic potential that exists within us.

Dr. Jenny is on the mission to elevate our understanding of erotic love and the vital role human sexuality plays in accessing psychedelic states naturally. In this episode, we talk about sacred sexuality. Mary Magdalene, Jewish mystical sexual practices connection between sexual energy and biofields role of Vegas nerve and sexual experience.

What is psychedelic cervix, Kundalini energy torsion fields, and more. Enjoy this episode. This episode is sponsored by LoRa Ayahuasca Retreat. At Laira, we combine affordability, accessibility, and authenticity. Laira, connect, heal, grow. Guys, I’m looking forward to hosting you. Jenny, welcome to the show.

Dr. Jenny Martin: Nice to be here.

Thanks. Thanks, Sam.

Sam Believ: Jenny, tell us a little bit about yourself and and maybe what brought you to this line of work?

Dr. Jenny Martin: I started out in psychology and spirituality and didn’t really think that the focus on sacred sexuality would be my area. But just like when people work with plant medicine, they find their root, they find their purpose, and it’s not necessarily something that they analytically figured out.

The same thing with this. I had been traveling in different parts of the world, actually, and this sounds strange to say, but the land spoke to me. So one of the most profound experiences I had was I was working in corporate America doing leadership training, doing mindfulness, doing that type of thing.

So I wasn’t in this type of field, but I was taking a vacation in. Greece and I woke up one morning and I didn’t have I had taken no substance, hadn’t even had anything to drink, the night before, anything. But I woke up and I, and it wasn’t like I was with a partner at that time it was, I was on my own and I woke up and I had, I was in another dimension.

And I felt the ancestors of that land calling out to me to bring back the knowledge that was once known about sacred sexuality. Now, I had little glimpse of it prior to that, but I didn’t have the whole understanding. I had personal experiences, but I didn’t have the whole understanding about how there was.

Quite possibly in the Ellucian mysteries, sex was the inner mystery. In the Ellucian mysteries, there was a plant medicine used. But then it almost like being, giving people a reference experience. This is what it feels like to have this divine union. Now we’re gonna show you. To do that through sex right now.

The Ellucian mysteries changed over time and it, when the society became more patriarchal, there was sex, but it was more like drunken orgies and so forth. So we lost that when there was more of a feminine, divine feminine leadership over the whole thing and there was a sacred feminine and there was the worship of Aphrodite and so forth.

There was more of there. There, there’s a sense that. That was a central mystery. So I had that, that awakening of this ancient knowledge when I was in Greece on the land, and I could not even. Leave my room, go have food, do anything. I was immobilized for an entire day and just getting this download.

Now I didn’t know what to do about it, and I didn’t have a clear path, okay, now go and do this. Here’s X, Y, and Z. Here’s a clear path. So it took me some time to unravel that and figure out how to, okay, take this information that was given to me and actually make it into a tangible, professional.

Offering. But it started off in, in that kind of organic way.

Sam Believ: Yeah. ClearPath is not is not a generally a thing in this line of work when you work with something that is not usual, not what’s considered normal. Same, similar thing happened to me when the medicine. The medicine showed me this mission, and then I asked the shamans like what’s the next step?

And they’re like, just drink more medicine. And so I’ve been for the last five years, and it’s a very trickle kind of process. You mentioned that the land spoke to you. Interesting enough in Greece, I’ve interviewed Maria Sophia demarcos, and she’s Greek Greek American. She went, Reta was, I was interviewing her.

She was in Greece. She went to Greece to speak to the land, to ask if the land wants to or should go like temple sites and ask if they want to. They want her to like, recover some of those traditions. So it’s really interesting that you weren’t seeking it, but you got it. And your message was about sacred sexuality.

So can you tell our listeners what is sacred sexuality? I have interviewed one person on the topic, but it was a man. So what is sexual what is sacred sexuality? And especially from the female perspective.

Dr. Jenny Martin: I think it, I think, part of the reason, if I’m like to step back and analyze why that showed up then is because I had a personal experience, with it I’ve had, ongoing personal experiences, it would’ve been totally out of left field if I never had an embodied experience of that.

It’d be like, what the hell are you talking about? But because I knew it, I felt it, it changed me. But I wasn’t paying attention to that in terms of being a teacher of it. And so that’s what that happened. But in terms of how in, in terms of me understanding this and having this these experiences to begin with, it started off with a problem.

Like so many people, with plant medicine, there’s a problem. It’s not always. Just growth, right? So the problem was growing up in Ireland and having a Catholic background and having a very sex negative, a approach, right? My my. Grandma had 20 kids don’t, no belief in contraception and, sex is a duty and all of this type of thing.

And you are not necessarily supposed to enjoy it. You’re just supposed to have kids, right? And here I am with a partner that I wanna spend the rest of my life with. And I didn’t really have any roadmap for good sexual experiences prior to that. It wasn’t it, I could take it or leave it.

It’s that doesn’t enrich my life much. But here I’m in this great with this great person, and it was actually that person that said to me, I think Mary Magdalene was the greatest gift in Christianity. She held this wisdom and, that started me on a quest to understand who this person was, not the person that was lied about, but who this person was.

And I ended up discovering that she was the first Alchemist. She was the first alchemist, or she was called marry the Jew as Jesus was a Jew. And out of all of the different sacred sexual traditions. All of them. Tantra, Daoist, all of that. You use sexuality to get to a certain point in your, as an initiate, then you’re supposed to be celibate.

The only one that says that sex as an ongoing spiritual practice is was originally the Jewish mystical sexual practice, and she was in that lineage, but she brought this understanding of alchemy. That there could be a rebirth experience, a transformation of consciousness through sex. Now, she was also working with, science and, this whole thing about changing metals to gold and all that.

She was working in a very practical way with scientific experiments, and she was writing about that, but it was also knowledge that couldn’t be, blatantly explained because it challenged too much of the, leadership and the priesthood and so forth. So looking at that knowledge of sacred sexuality, what we find is a different wisdom than some of the versions of sacred sexuality that is out there.

For instance, in, in your country, there was a guy that died in 1977, Samuel however you say his last name starts with W but he started a like agnostic Christian, sacred sexuality movement. And his whole thing was no orgasm and no passion. And that’s how you have the alchemical marriage, right? And.

That’s not what I see in Mary, the Js work, her, Mary, the Alchemist, I do not see an elimination of passion and I, in fact, she says very much for the two to become one for this alchemical marriage to happen. It is the fire. That creates that. Now I’ve gone and looked into the science of this to understand, okay, what does that do to the biofield?

What does intense emotion do to the biofield? How does that shift consciousness to really break down what she was saying? So I look at it through that scientific lens as well as having personal experience. And in this other version of sacred sexuality, which is also called. Charisma K-A-Z-E-E-M-A, something like that.

Which again is this idea that you have a sensual connection with another person, but if you get erotically charged, if you get passion, you’re bringing in quote, evil. That’s not what I see. In fact, in the Gospel of Mary Magdalene, she says right there, there’s no sin. So she’s not vilifying passion or lust.

In fact, the etymology of the word lust was religious joy, right? So her Gospel of Mary Magdalene is talking about an evolution of the soul. You can have sex from ego point and I’m going to. Use this person, they’re gonna serve me. I’m gonna have my way with them, which is totally having sex from the ego.

Or you can have sex from the higher self, which is I totally honor and respect and see the, like the sacredness and the reverence we bring to the plant medicine. I’m gonna honor the plant. You bring that same sacredness to your partner I’m gonna honor my partner. But that doesn’t mean I can’t like, get turned on by her, that my passion is bad.

No, passion is what makes this happen. And the other thing that’s out there a lot is it has to be semen retention and it has to be no orgasm and stuff. If you look at the physics of this, ’cause we’re run by vibration. We’re not just material beings. We’re actually quantum beings. If you block that ecstatic point, you’re blocking the transformational, the alchemical shift in consciousness.

Now, it’s very different than conventional sex, which is very goal oriented, and it’s fast and it’s aggressive, right? So this is not. Porn sex, which is let’s just go from point A to B as fast as we can and aggressive. And if you are engaging in things like choking and stuff like that, you are not gonna have the same experience, not because it’s morally wrong, if you understand how the nervous system is wired, if you introduce threat, you are not going to.

Have the ingredients you need for the deepest transition of consciousness into this altered state because the threat create now. Yeah. Anyway, so I said a lot.

Sam Believ: You’re you’re easy to interview because you just talk a lot. ’cause instead of asking 20 questions I would just need to ask like four. So I just need to be careful with my questions.

Let’s talk about, sexual energy sexual act as the sacred union where you can experience change states of consciousness getting high on your own supply, endogenous DMT and all of that together. What would you like to talk, tell about that to the listeners?

Dr. Jenny Martin: So here’s the deal. Critics of this path, which I believe was the original path in Christianity, would say it’s just a dopamine hit. It’s just a feel good, release of pleasure chemicals. But if you understand this whole experience, see, this is why set and setting is so important because if we use the understanding of sex that’s out there in the world today.

Which is basically about getting off, using another person, not giving a crap about them. And that’s, that’s it. Now hooking up with someone and all of that’s totally fine, like there’s no like law against that. But if you want to have the deepest, most. Sublime experience. There needs to be trust.

There needs to be a relationship which allows the deepest surrender. And you’re not surrendering to another person you like. You both are surrendering to your higher self. You’re both are surrendering, knowing that there’s a divinity within you that you’re not gonna be in control. Through the whole experience, right?

So number one, that requires not just a few minutes of intercourse, it requires transitioning from being in your mind to being embodied, right? Because most of us, especially in this, less in Columbia because. People are more intuitive with the land and I’ve been there, I spoke at a conference there and really enjoyed the people.

Very loving, very connected. I’m in Seattle and it’s the hub of technology and there’s this intensity of work, pushing yourself to work and constantly on your phone and constantly being responsive. That does not facilitate. A deep sexual experience, but even if you are in Columbia, just being in the world today, we are living in our heads.

There’s a wonderful book called Stolen Focus, which actually, explains that this guy tried to go on a vacation and leave his phone and he was totally anxious ’cause he left his phone like on purpose, right? So we have to learn something that the ancient people didn’t need to learn about, which is.

How can I be in my body without running all this loop of thoughts in my head? So that’s like a nat, a total prerequisite and non-sexual touch. Touch is a key part of that, especially for women. I. For her to have that experience of touch and not just, okay, they’re going right for the, erotic zones in your body, but for her to have that touch, help settle her out of her mind and into her body, that is a total pre prerequisite.

So when I’m talking about sex, I’m not talking about intercourse, I’m talking about the whole smorgasbord of passionate, kissing, sensual massage, touching the whole thing, right? When I talk to people and I, they say, oh, I’ve never had an experience like that. I don’t know if that’s possible. I ask them what their sex is and it’s usually giving their partner oral sex, her to him usually, and then intercourse.

That is in, not at all a recipe for it to happen like that. It’s never gonna happen like that. First of all, her body can get into a deeper state. Period. Right now, he can get into that deeper state too, if he prepares her first. ’cause his, the male brain is gonna narrowly entrain with the woman during intercourse if she’s adequately prepared in that trans state, right?

So that means there needs to be adequate time spent on helping her become embodied, helping her transition out of her mind into her body, right? And by the way, it just goes without saying if you guys are fighting, if she feels like not appreciated all of those emotional things because the female body, her sexual response system is directly connected to her emotional state.

It’s not like that in the male body. So the vagus nerve is a major mind body pathway when we talk about mind body medicine. For instance, like today, they’re giving people probiotics to heal their pro depression because they realize that there’s a total link. We can’t cut off the mind and body like they do in we western medicine.

That’s doubly true for female sexuality. The vagus nerve connects to her sexual organs. It doesn’t in a male body, so if she’s not feeling loved, appreciated all of those things. She might get wet because wet is happens even if there’s a rape, right? Not because she’s turned on, but because the body is wise and knows that she could get ripped inside if there’s not any lubrication.

So that can certainly happen. So with a woman, sexual arousal is different from sexual desire. There has to be the component of emotional connection. For that sexual de desire to happen. It’s not enough just for her body to show signs. There has to be her mind being engaged at the same time and that’s where the emotion comes in.

And it really is that connection. ’cause the heart is a pump, it’s pumping blood in your body. But we also know that it gives off electromagnetic ways. And when you’re shifting from a state of neutral into a state of open-heartedness and love, you are connecting that electric magnetic energy between the two of you, which is necessary for her to feel that experience.

What we know is when a psychedelic experience happens, there’s a release of oxytocin as well. So a lot of sex to today isn’t including oxytocin. There’s no way you can choke someone and have oxytocin be released, like you’re engaging their threat system, not their safety system. And the safety system needs to be engaged.

So I have been interested in some of the research coming outta the University of Berkeley from a while back about. Measuring the chakras, measuring the science of the chakras, measuring the biofields scientifically, and also looking at what happens when we’re in a psychedelic state and what Valerie Hunt, this one researcher who’s not with us any longer, found that there’s a shift in the biofield, the energy around the body, which is not just new age thought, new age, mumbo jumbo.

It actually can be measured. It can be measured by something called gas discharge visualization, and we can get an actual computer image of the aura around the body. When you’re sending love to your partner, their biofield registers differently than if you guys have just been angry, right? So that is a necessary ex part of it.

When there’s a psychedelic experience, whether it’s through the use of a plant medicine or. Through sex, there is a shift in the biofield. There’s a dramatic shift. That’s why there needs to be a, an intensity of passion and pleasure if it’s just okay. You can have sex and be completely disengaged and go through the motions and go like you’re to, you’re thinking about something else.

You, or you’re thinking about someone else, or you’re fantasizing about someone else and your body’s just going through the motions. Like you can have totally checked out. Sex happens all the time. It’s not like bad or wrong, but that’s not gonna get you there. The kind of sex that’s gonna get you there is when you’re in this, it’s like a trance state, like a shaman.

Dancing around the fire before he does a healing ceremony, he’s getting into that trance state. So that’s what’s required with this, right? You are so absorbed in the moment, you’re so in the moment, you’re not like, okay, you’re not judging yourself, you’re not judging your partner, you’re not thinking about someone else or something else, right?

You’re here now. That’s why it can’t happen in a quick. We’re fucking Now, it can’t happen like that. It has to happen where it’s a slow, progressive thing. But when I say that, people think, okay, boring, or they think not exciting. Absolutely not. It’s not like it’s always gonna be slow and sensual. It can get into the very animalistic, sweaty, intense intercourse.

But you don’t get, you go. You don’t go from A to B. And if you try to just. Fuck a woman and penetrate her deep and hit her cervix right away. She’ll scream in pain. You like you, you can’t do that. It’s, that’s not how it works, right? There has to be enough leading up that by the time intercourse happens, she’s craving the man inside of her.

She’s absolutely craving it because. Her body has been ready for it.

Sam Believ: So you mentioned cervix, and that’s not something we talk a lot about in this podcast, but what is psychedelic cervix?

Dr. Jenny Martin: The cervix is the word cervix means neck. And so if you go see a chiropractor, they’ll talk about adjusting your cervical, part of your spine, but in a woman’s body.

She also has a cervix in her, right below her uterus, right below her womb, and it’s like a donut shaped. And when she menstruates, the blood flows out of there. When she has a child, it widens and the head of the child comes down the vaginal canal from there. But the rest of the time through it has been shown through as actually the records university that country to what scientists thought.

When Masters and Johnson were studying sexuality in the 1950s, they said. This part of a woman’s sexual anatomy. The cervix has no feeling to it. You can do a medical procedure and she’s totally numb down there and that’s all that is. That is blatantly wrong. We found out not only is there tremendous feeling there, there’s the most powerful orgasmic state that’s possible in a woman through that stimulation.

Now, a woman can have a. Cl a gpo, a vaginal orgasm. But this cervical takes much more preparation to get there. You can’t just start having sex and it’s just gonna happen. And usually there needs to be stimulation to the her clitoris stimulation for a G spot before the cervix is gonna be activated.

Time and time again when women have had this experience, they talk about it, a shower of stars. They talk about feeling like they’re transported to another dimension. They talk about going beyond a sense of feeling, just love of their partner, like a sense of other worldly love, like just absolutely beyond magical than, definitely full bodied.

But it’s all it is. Often described as dissolving of the self, like just completely dissolving of the self and it being, incredibly powerful. And when that experience has happened for me, the power that was sent through, like there’s definitely something about Kundalini that is real before I even knew that was a thing.

Definitely rising up my spine. And here’s another thing. I didn’t have to make it happen and I haven’t had to make it happen. You don’t have to force, these are natural processes. That’s what I really got from when I looked at Mary. The, the Alchemist too. She’s not saying you have to manipulate nature or do magic.

These, this is the way, if you fully prepare the body and have this passion and this intensity, this is the way the body is designed. The body is designed to move this energy. We don’t have to like, okay, I’m gonna make it, I’m gonna force it. You don’t like, the body is designed for that. And so when the two people are, that connected during sex, it’s not okay, she’s having this fantastic experience and he’s over here like thinking, wow, must be nice.

No the neural entrainment causes that immersion to happen where they are both experiencing the same thing. At the same time. And orgasming at the same time and, but this other worldly experience is happening for both of them.

Sam Believ: Yeah. The the psychedelic cervix, another thing about cervix is the birth.

And that’s where it widens, as you say, the to, to the 10. 10 is the point. I know it because I am a father of three. And so my wife with the, in her late latest birth she had, she, I was with her and she was like, I feel like I’m just had ayahuasca. Very DMT very psychedelic experience. Just through the natural mean.

So how would you explain that, what is a, is it DMT, is it something else? Like how come? And most importantly like. What is the why would that happen, is from the na nature point of view?

Dr. Jenny Martin: For nature’s point of view, so DMT as we know, ex exogenous, DMT. In laboratories and so forth.

When they’re doing research, they’re looking at using it for stroke victims to when the brain is dying to create an oxidative effect to save the dying brain, they’re actually looking at using that in emergency rooms, so it has this powerful oxidative effect. So you can just imagine the little babies traveling through this like little narrow passageway.

If it loses oxygen at any point along the way, it’s lights out. So it’s nature’s way of making sure that the baby has, the baby’s brain is gonna be safe. Now, at the same time, there’s, the thing is in western medicine, we don’t trust the body and we think the body somehow is flawed and it doesn’t have the ability to do things.

Women have been having birth forever and. They probably had more ecstatic births before we got much into the medical science, but the natural part of birth is if the woman feels saved not observed. If she feels, her, she, her space is you honored and so forth, she can get into this very altered state.

It’s nature’s way of making this ecstatic union for both making this not a painful experience. Certainly there’s the experience that’s uncomfortable, but on another level, we were designed not to be overcome with that extreme agony. We were designed if we work with the body to actually have ecstasy.

The what has been shown is cervical stimulation. Vaginal cervical stimulation actually lights up the perial ductal gray in the brain. That is the part of the brain that modulates pain, and so with cervical stimulation, it’s actually turning that off. And so this, the baby is stimulating this. Now, if you are in a tensed up state, like you’re real, ’cause we condition people, we give people the set and setting in, in, at least in America, that it’s gonna be the most painful experience of your life.

We have bright lights on them, we monitor ’em, all this stuff. So likely your nervous system is gonna be in a state of freeze or it’s gonna be in a stressed out state, so you’re not in the, you don’t have the prerequisites that are necessary for allowing what needs to happen. There’s also something that’s called a fetal ejection reflex that, that has been discovered, but again, not recognized in, in western medicine.

And that is, if the woman feels safe, there’s this. Natural processor happens where there’s a surge of oxytocin. Now, oxytocin is responsible for the contractions, but it’s also, it’s not just a hormone, it’s also a neurotransmitter. And our bodies, women’s bodies, are designed to actually, with this surge of oxytocin, to push the baby out without.

Much labor at all. So the, all these things are possible. Do they happen? Rarely they happen, but that’s not because the human body isn’t magical. It’s because the ways that we try to intervene and the stories we tell people about what it’s gonna be like and mind over matters. Very powerful. But, and that’s wonderful that your wife had that experience.

Sam Believ: Yeah, she really compared it with with the Ayahuasca experience. ’cause it was very similar. She was having realizations and like profound experience where, you know, something you’d need to integrate afterwards. You mentioned Energies and Kundalini. What are your thoughts about, sexual energy, Kundalini energy and, I recently been told that, there’s the healing energy that shamans use, for example is the sexual energy, it’s the same energy. What do you think about that? Do you agree or not? And whether we can how do we get this energy, through, through work, through this sacred sexuality in a couple, for example.

Dr. Jenny Martin: So I’m trying to figure out which question to answer.

Sam Believ: Whatever comes to mind.

Dr. Jenny Martin: Oh, okay. Is it the energy of the shaman? That’s an interesting question. The very first thing I thought about was, that fine line that can happen with abuse, right? So that, that is something to think about there.

But. Yeah I would say it’s that I look at it from the science and there it’s, you know what it is, it’s actually also the energy when you go to acupuncture, it’s that she energy. So it’s the emotion that we bring to it that can make it sexual or not. So if the shaman stays in their presence of, I’m gonna be this, this guardian of safety, this person and not go down, they can feel that sensation but not go down that path right then.

That this, that is the power that we all have. We have the power of intention, right? And we can steward where this energy is gonna go, right? We’re not just we’re not like, that’s the difference between us and an animal. We’re not just overtaken by something and then we have no ability to do anything.

Our intention, this is why I believe these things were not just handed out. This information was not just. Hand it out to people. You have to go to the mystery school. You have to go through initiations. You have to have spiritual integrity ’cause you’re dealing with very powerful energy. One of the things that can happen is a rape can happen and someone can have a Kundalini rising.

And then what you have is a very disintegrated person, almost like a schizophrenic type state, so they can speak to other worldly beings. They can have access, they might have visions, but they feel like crap within their self-esteem. They have no self-esteem. They might be totally depressed feel very socially anxious.

They can totally commune with beings. So that’s a very nonintegrated Kundalini rising, and that can be very dangerous. This is why. Or it can just drive you flat out crazy like you’re walking down a street and nobody has told you that the world is not just material. That the world is non-physical too, and the other world starts bleeding into this world and you feel like you’re losing your mind.

So that happens today. I’ve had people talk to me that they’ve ended up on a psychiatrist couch because they had a psychedelic experience, either through something they’ve done naturally or taking a plant and nobody validated what it was. And they ended up going through the, getting psychiatric drugs.

But for us today, for us to realize. That sex is not just a physical act. Sex involves our energy, our, it involves this biofield, it involves this life force energy, and this is the energy that is the access. It’s our connection to other dimensions. Now, I believe DMT allows us to have the perception. It works with this energy to like, you could access another dimension but not be able to perceive it.

But DMT within us allows us to actually perceive it. The whole idea of your third eye awakened you, you have the access to this other. Plane of existence and you can actually see it. But the trick is, are you prepared for all of that spiritual download? Are you grounded in your life? Can you still hold down a job and a relationship and all of those things when you’re floating off into other dimensions?

So there’s this balance, and when we’re talking about sex and we’re talking about. Merging with another person. One of the things when I’m working with women especially you can’t lose your ego until you found it. So that would be the definition of codependency. That would be a recipe for problems.

And the other thing that I would. Needs to also be understood is that this is not about this process of ego, death and rebirth through sex is not about killing the ego at all because we are here as an individual expression of the divine, and that needs to. Be retained and the ego death experience is just letting you tap in on more of your authentic self so that when you out are outliving your life and you’re at your job and you’re doing your very 3D thing, you’re doing it with more of all of who you are.

You’re not just this egoless creature, which. Has been talked about in the realm of sacred sexuality. There’s a sense you have to annihilate the ego and you have to get to the state of perfection that isn’t at all what I teach. And that’s not what I see in the early doctrines of Gospel of Philip and these different things.

It’s not that at all

Sam Believ: because ego is basically the default mode network, right? The part of our brain that. Is running when we’re bored, not just daydreaming. And I guess that in a, in that sacred sexual experience, the generally, you don’t tend to think about much. You focus, so it probably goes away for a bit, same as with Ayahuasca.

It maybe gets paused for a little bit and then gets brought back, but slightly. Maybe fixed or rebuilt in a better way. So it’s it’s good for it to have some rest. You talk a lot about set and settings. So what is the necessary set and settings? For example for couples that are listening and they don’t want to maybe travel to South America to drink ayahuasca, but they wanna have a beautiful.

Spiritual experience just through, through sex. What is the sad setting they should use?

Dr. Jenny Martin: Part of it is looking at what have my beliefs been, what beliefs are driving me about sex, and that there is so something a little bit unique about that somebody may have grown up with a very sex negative viewpoint.

Another person. It doesn’t have a lot of those hangups about shame and guilt and so forth. So there is an aspect to it that is a little bit, individual, but in general understanding. Because here’s the thing, with the plant medicine, the way it’s being used today, especially in corporate, pharmaceutical companies, they are eliminating any of the.

Ritual, they’re eliminating any other tradition. They’re eliminating the understanding and the ceremony can end up being empty, directionalist, and even confusing, the experience can be all of those things. And we could also say the same thing about sex. We could say the way that sex is shown to us on porn and so forth, it’s meaningless.

It’s just like two physical parts of the body connecting and that’s it. And how on earth can you jump from that to something that’s transformative? You can’t start with that as a reference point because the only conclusion you’re gonna get from that is somewhat of a empty directional. That sense of, is that all there is?

But it’s when you. Bring a sense of you being more than a physical being you, being this divine being, and not that, interestingly enough, what we see in the gospel of Philip is not this sense that you are filled of darkness and sin that you have to somehow purify yourself. No, it’s that you’re filled with light and what the sexual act is.

Is bringing forth this light. It’s actually magnifying this light body that is you, and that your original essence is this love. Now it’s buried deep within you. Probably if you got hurt enough in relationships, you’ve just turned that off and you just go through sex without any kind of feeling, right?

So it’s. The process of learning to reengage from an emotional level, reengage from heart level, but also it’s the larger sense of, okay, what is sex? Could it be an experience where I surrender to, but not the surrender in terms of domination and submission, but surrender to a spiritual reality. We take for granted this sense that, okay, if we have sex, we can create this life form, this being right.

That in and of itself shows that there’s something magical at play there, and there is, there’s the science behind this as well. So we have yin and yang. This comes to the science of torsion, which is the fifth force in physics. More than different than electromagnetic energy. It connects us to the cosmos.

It’s the science of consciousness. So torsion is torsion physics actually was first looked at by Russian scientist an astrophysicist, and it has to do with. Something that Einstein had been working on but couldn’t actually he couldn’t come up with a math for it, but these Russian scientists actually discovered that there is a force that connects all of the other forces.

So it’s a fifth force in physics. And, who had been looking for this intently was. Isaac Newton. So Isaac Newton was an alchemist and he said, I just can’t believe that all these interactions are happening in the universe at a cellular level, just on their own. Like the coordination, the order, the symmetry, the synchrony.

I gotta believe there’s some intelligent force connecting it all. And he knew that. He went, he actually wrote over a million pages on the topic of alchemy during his life. And what basically, Smithsonian Institute has published a whole manuscript on, on this, and it has been re-looked at in modern day.

But for the most part, the conclusion from mainstream science is, nah. It’s not true. And there’s one caveat here is if we accepted the fact that there was this force that ran our body that was actually underneath the level of the biochemistry of our body. So yes, we ha or where full, biochemistry is important to us, but that this is a level deeper, even deeper than the quantum level, and it has to do with.

Fluctuations in the field and what is actually motivating all these other reactions to happen. And if we actually did accept that this was true science, it would change the way that medicine is done. We wouldn’t but just be treating people with chemicals to change their illnesses. We would be treating the biofuel, we’d be treating the energy because this is what is actually.

Running things. Now you asked about the torsion field. So this is a field that it has to do with dark matter, dark energy which is the right hand torsion and left hand torsion. And so dark matter being left hand torsion and women carry more left hand torsion men. It’s like the yin and the yang too.

What the person that I’ve really drawn a lot of information from is a man that was a physicist, educated at MIT and educated at Princeton, and he just died a few years ago. And he went to these prestigious schools and learned physics, but he never learned about a science of consciousness. He never learned that we could influence the field.

He never learned that there was this life force energy. Until he went to work for the CIA and they were taking remote viewing very seriously, and they were bringing Ingo Swan and different people and studying them. And even though there’s a lot of disinformation out there, including that movie, men Who Stare at Goats, a lot of strategic disinformation, if you go online and.

Look at Claude Swanson’s website, which is still up and buy one of his 700 pages books, which chronicles all this research. We can see that the science of life force energy well dates back to ancient China with a study of Qi and in the body. But really it was Russian scientists that really put this in a new.

Modern day scientific lens and did scientific the Russian government has for decades been studying this now. Okay. You asked about the pineal gland. So the pineal gland is the coordinator of rhythms in the body’s coordinator of signals in the body, the circadian rhythm, being able to be a transducer of signals from the external world.

So it operates based on vibration. And what CL Swanson had talked about in one of his books on this is that when the pineal gland is charged with this life force energy, which other words for it is Kundalini. Another word for it is prana. Another word for it is chi. Another word for it is mana In the Christian.

Lineage mana. So there’s all these words for it. Every ancient society knew it existed. Every shaman knew it existed, every shaman, they all knew there was an invisible. I live in Seattle. Chief Seattle, the, the native leader here. He, there’s quotes that still exist today where he said, there’s a web of life that connects us all.

There’s this invisible web. This is what we’re talking about. This is the science of what we’re talking about. That apparently does not exist, but this is the science of consciousness. Princeton University, when they had this consciousness lab set up, they don’t have it anymore. They. Studied what? How human consciousness can affect the field, right?

This is not us just being passive beings run by this force. We actually, through our intention, through our emotion, affect it. And we can do that individual and we can do that collectively. They discovered that. At nine 11 when there was a drastic shift in emotion collectively that was picked up in the field, that was picked up in a, as a change in the field.

So this science exists, it has been covered up, but it helps us to understand that when there’s this shift in our biofield, when. I believe, not, I believe Valerie Hunt has shown this, that when you take a psychedelic, you are charging this life force energy within you and you’re charging your field.

It’s like a turbo boost to it, right? Rather than doing it slowly and naturally in sex. But when you turbo boost this you’re, especially with DMT, you’re transporting yourself to another dimension. And this life force energy science helps us to understand. Okay, this is not happening in the brain.

This is not just your default mode network going offline. This is not just that. This is you. Swanson talks about a synchronized universe model, which is these other dimensions are not often another location. They’re right here in the room that you’re in right now. The only reason you’re not aware of them is ’cause your consciousness not, is not synchronized with them.

So the synchronized universe model says that when this torsion shifts in your body and it reaches your pineal gland, you know when it’s your pineal gland is infused with this, you. There’s photo, there’s cones and rods in the pineal gland photoreceptors. It is equipped with the same capacity to see as the eyeball, but it’s the middle of your head.

It’s not to see in 3D World, it’s to see when you are in a gamma brainwave state. When your brainwaves have changed significantly enough, this kicks in and you can see so. To be able to conceptualize how all this happens. We need the signs of life force energy and so anyway,

Sam Believ: thank you for explaining this.

It’s all very interesting. We don’t talk about sex on sexual energies often enough on the podcast. So I was really happy to have you over. Sorry for the technical difficulties. I know now you gotta run, so please let the audience know where they can find you if they’re interested to, to learn more about your work.

Dr. Jenny Martin: Sure. Dr. Jenny martin.com is in my website, d and then y Yeah. martin.com. Yeah.

Sam Believ: Thank you Jenny. There’s many more things I’d like to talk to you about. I still have more topics, but yeah, let’s let’s finish it for now. Thank you so much. It was really interesting.

Dr. Jenny Martin: Sure. Yeah. Great to talk with you and feel free to email me and I’m happy to reply.

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